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Unread post by seminole » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:08 pm

We need to continue working on the wages, but the Tallahassee region is making positive economic progress. Looking forward to continue growth in Year 2017.
The leading industries driving these positive trends are hospitality, professional services, financial and health care. Each of those sectors saw growth. Hospitality continues to be a leading industry for jobs growth with a 6.1-percent increase. Professional services followed with a 3.7-percent increase, with financial and health care following at nearly 3 percent each.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinio ... /95881778/

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Unread post by seminole » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:20 pm

Just additional info. on some well-known projects in construction or in planning. But could more interesting projects be on the horizon....hmmmmm very interesting:
And those heavily connected to commercial development are tight-lipped about some projects.


http://www.tallahassee.com/story/money/ ... /95520990/

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Unread post by Poonther » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:36 pm

This index seems to tell a different story:

http://tallahasseereports.com/2016/12/3 ... -rankings/

Here's the full report:

http://www.best-cities.org/pdf/best-per ... t-2016.pdf

Definitely not good that Tally dropped 14 places this year and that we are in the bottom 50 of large metros. Lowest in Florida.  Thoughts?

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Unread post by Poonther » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:53 am

More bad news on the job front. This problem can't be ignored. What's the major obstacle on the job front here? Thoughts on how to improve Tally in these rankings?

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Wallet- ... 02875.html

Full report here:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-cities-f ... n-findings

Again Tally is the lowest ranked city in FL and the lowest ranked major university college town.

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Unread post by LCpro » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:27 pm

Poonther wrote:This index seems to tell a different story:

http://tallahasseereports.com/2016/12/3 ... -rankings/

Here's the full report:

http://www.best-cities.org/pdf/best-per ... t-2016.pdf

Definitely not good that Tally dropped 14 places this year and that we are in the bottom 50 of large metros. Lowest in Florida.  Thoughts?
I'll take the Milken Institute report with a grain of salt as it admittedly does not consider cost of living or quality of life in its index. One of the main attractions to Tallahassee is cost of living and quality of life. The index is basically about technology and general "jobs growth". Given the nature of Tallahassee, a rate of "job growth" putting us at the top or higher on such a list will almost assuredly never occur.

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:03 pm

This report is from back in Sept, but FiveThirtyEight showed Tallahassee as the metro area with the 9th fastest-growing rate of new start-ups for 2014.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/st- ... -frontier/

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Unread post by Poonther » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:30 pm

LCpro wrote:  I'll take the Milken Institute report with a grain of salt as it admittedly does not consider cost of living or quality of life in its index. One of the main attractions to Tallahassee is cost of living and quality of life. The index is basically about technology and general "jobs growth". Given the nature of Tallahassee, a rate of "job growth" putting us at the top or higher on such a list will almost assuredly never occur.

I think all list like this should be taken "with a grain of salt" however when you've got 2 list basically saying the same thing then it's something that should be explored don't you guys think?

Definitely not looking for Tally to be at the top of the list but would like for us not to be at the bottom. On both lists other college and government towns rank much higher than us so clearly they are doing something we aren't?

Quality of life and cost of living certainly are factors in Tally's favor however both could be improved if we had more and better paying jobs.

So again the question is what are we doing wrong and how do we get ourselves on the right track?

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Unread post by Poonther » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:34 pm

StrikerObi wrote:This report is from back in Sept, but FiveThirtyEight showed Tallahassee as the metro area with the 9th fastest-growing rate of new start-ups for 2014.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/st- ... -frontier/

I do think start-ups could be one of our saviors in growing our economy. What worries me about start-ups is that once they get big enough to be a benefit to our economy what's to keep them in town? 

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Unread post by stjoe » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:58 am

Tally will only have a startup industry, IF it ever happens, because of FSU's $100 million Moran SOE. There will be nothing to keep them in Tally because local politicians REFUSE to change.


They refuse to learn the lessons of other areas and primarily want to figure out how they get rich. Almost NO business are putting up with their backwoods BS and locals keep reelecting them.

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Unread post by chudan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:56 pm

Tally has issues that are bigger than the local pols (though they are not off the hooks).

IMHO, the biggest issue is that Tally is literally a transportation black hole. There is no major port (actually no port), there is no major rail depot/crossroads, the city is an Interstate highway mid point too far from major interstate crossroads and the airport is an end point not a hub (and not even a tourist destination endpoint in FLA).

Then you have the two big universities (that by any metric should be huge private sector research incubators) seem to go out of their way NOT to encourage big public/private cooperative ventures. They both have big parochialism issues with not wanting to play second fiddle to the private sector and/or to other education institutes. And don't even get me started on the internals of each university and the problems they have with infighting among their colleges and departments that further turn off the private sector research team ups. Yes, they get the occasional public/private partnership, but try reading the Tampa Bay Times or the Orlando Sentinel or the Jax Times Union or the Miami Herald and see how common place those types of announcements are between their local/near by universities and private sector players compared to what you read in the Dem, both is scale and volume

Now back to the pols. They are a reflection of the population in the Tally. Nimby-ism is off the charts in the citizenry and its reflected in the pols they elect. Everyone wants the benefits of the big project, as long as any possible negative side effects are not anywhere next door, but also not anywhere on their day to day routes, not near their kids' schools, not impact their Alma mater, not near places they visit once a year, etc, etc, etc. Additionally, this is a town that seems to live by the credo, 'no investment in anything that might attract jobs if it costs tax dollars'.

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Unread post by stjoe » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:06 pm

"Then you have the two big universities (that by any metric should be huge private sector research incubators) seem to go out of their way NOT to encourage big public/private cooperative ventures. They both have big parochialism issues with not wanting to play second fiddle to the private sector and/or to other education institutes. And don't even get me started on the internals of each university and the problems they have with infighting among their colleges and departments that further turn off the private sector research team ups. Yes, they get the occasional public/private partnership, but try reading the Tampa Bay Times or the Orlando Sentinel or the Jax Times Union or the Miami Herald and see how common place those types of announcements are between their local/near by universities and private sector players compared to what you read in the Dem, both is scale and volume" Could you give me a specific example?

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Unread post by chudan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:20 pm

This is a link to USF's site for research partnerships. Within it is links to articles from all over, including local papers, about research partnerships USF has joined up with involving public and private sector as well as internal cooperative programs between departments and colleges.

http://www.research.usf.edu/news/usfri-news.asp

Since the beginning of 2017 there are articles covering 6 different cooperative research projects and since beginning of December 2016 that becomes dozens (USF+private sector, USF+other univ+private sector, USF+other universities, USF+Feds, USF+foreign NGOs) from various news organizations. And you can find similar in other parts of the state where the universities have gone to great lengths to create cooperative projects that have the universities sometimes the lead but often an associate to a someone elses project.

I was at USF when it went from the state's biggest commuter school (its only claim to fame) to having Betty Castor come in and start it down the tracks towards being a huge research and tech incubator. She really pushed the whole concept of cooperative research projects with outside organizations and between programs. When my wife and I moved up here in '99 and I started work at FSU, I was amazed how little of that I saw around there. And then I was shocked at how much infighting and backstabbing goes on between groups at FSU (and FAMU as far as I can tell) when it comes to who gets credit, raw square footage for facilities and money. No one over there seems to understand that you have to bee willing to play third violin in order to start down the road to being first chair.

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Unread post by stjoe » Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:14 pm

Who do you think should be '1st violin' when it comes to research? Which entity do you think knows anything about research in Tally outside of FSU?

I can give you multiple examples where FSU lead the way and local entities REFUSED to play '3rd violin' despite the fact their lack of expertise, lack of investment, and lack of having any stack in the game insisted they should. You simply have the situation backwards.

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Unread post by chudan » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:05 pm

I'm talking about playing second or third fiddle to other learning/research institutions with stronger research reps and private sector companies looking to partner with universities. NOT local government or local business players, who frankly aren't the issue. FSU and FAMU, as possible research/business incubators, need to be drawing in out of town organizations and creating an environment where these groups feel like they can come in and control their own destinies and get all the credit for their investment.

It took USF probably 25-30 years of playing 'second or third fiddle' but they reached a point where more and more they are now the lead researcher in the press releases. And the path that was originally created under the Castor administration has yielded such strong dividends that USF is now working with the city and state to acquire/set aside hundreds (if not 1000+) of acres adjacent to the university to greatly expand its Innovation Park incubator site.

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Unread post by stjoe » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:37 pm

chudan wrote:I'm talking about playing second or third fiddle to other learning/research institutions with stronger research reps and private sector companies looking to partner with universities. NOT local government or local business players, who frankly aren't the issue. FSU and FAMU, as possible research/business incubators, need to be drawing in out of town organizations and creating an environment where these groups feel like they can come in and control their own destinies and get all the credit for their investment.

It took USF probably 25-30 years of playing 'second or third fiddle' but they reached a point where more and more they are now the lead researcher in the press releases. And the path that was originally created under the Castor administration has yielded such strong dividends that USF is now working with the city and state to acquire/set aside hundreds (if not 1000+) of acres adjacent to the university to greatly expand its Innovation Park incubator site.
What institution of research is looking to come to Tally for it's research needs? There are no such examples you speak of. There HAVE been examples, despite you claiming otherwise, where FSu tried to make moves and local enitites refused to be '2nd or 3rd violin' and prevented FSU from moving forward. With all due respect, your perspective makes zero sense here.

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Unread post by seminole » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:22 pm

seminole wrote:Just additional info. on some well-known projects in construction or in planning. But could more interesting projects be on the horizon....hmmmmm very interesting:
And those heavily connected to commercial development are tight-lipped about some projects.


http://www.tallahassee.com/story/money/ ... /95520990/
Let's see, this local company has a strong partnership with the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, any guess who is "Project Campus":
http://tallahasseereports.com/2017/06/0 ... ying-jobs/

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Unread post by chudan » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:16 am

I see in the comments of the attached article they have suggested Danfoss being Project Campus. I'd also throw in General Dynamics as they have been looking at expansion/possible relocation for awhile now.

If its GD, its not necessarily going to be about the money (though it won't hurt), it's going to be about getting a commitment to additional MagLab access time.

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Unread post by tricknole » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:05 am

I think it would make more sense to crash a flaming trolley into the Edison and try to collect the insurance money.
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Unread post by florida » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:59 pm

This is a very interesting discussion.

I've been out of the loop lately but have we discussed the 120+ job company that local EDC people are attempting to lure with an incentive package?

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/money/ ... 392286001/

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Unread post by seminole » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:00 pm

seminole wrote:
seminole wrote:Just additional info. on some well-known projects in construction or in planning. But could more interesting projects be on the horizon....hmmmmm very interesting:
And those heavily connected to commercial development are tight-lipped about some projects.


http://www.tallahassee.com/story/money/ ... /95520990/
Let's see, this local company has a strong partnership with the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, any guess who is "Project Campus":
http://tallahasseereports.com/2017/06/0 ... ying-jobs/

Incentive money has been approved: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/money/ ... 392286001/

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Unread post by UrbanDesign » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:00 pm

What is the company?

What is project campus?

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:59 pm

UrbanDesign wrote:What is the company?

What is project campus?
The company is speculation. Guesses have been Danfoss and General Dynamic Land Systems.

Project Campus is the code name for the company as it is 'classified' in terms of the City is in a fight to keep the company and wants to keep their name confidential. Some clues are that they are already using Mag Lab time and need tech workers for expansion.

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Unread post by tricknole » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:27 am

Sheesh. Read a few other articles and their comments on TR. I think I'll be alright not going back.

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Unread post by seminole » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:54 pm

Hopefully, this is just a start.....
A Georgia‐based company, Senior Life Insurance, has selected Tallahassee‐Leon County as the location for their first expansion into Florida.

Dubbed "Project Rose", the company will create 30 full‐time financial services industry jobs in the community, creating an estimated economic impact of more than $2.6 million in Tallahassee.
http://www.wtxl.com/news/
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Tallaha ... 39193.html
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Unread post by seminole » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:02 pm

The Tallahassee Memorial Hospital will soon be opening up a new facility that will add 28 operating rooms and more than 70 adult medical/surgical intensive care beds to the hospital.
http://www.wtxl.com/news/as-tmh-s-new-f ... 75b68.html

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