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music4life85 wrote:Personally I think they will end up bulldozing Tully Gym and rebuilding it as a great volleyball venue and space to house all the non-football sports, and then utilize the current Moore athletics space as a football-only facility directly connected to Doak.

I haven't heard anybody in Facilities mention this idea, but it's a really good one. Tully needs an update to begin with, and it totally solves the problem of wanting the Football Only Facility located near the practice fields. Moving everybody else to Tully would also put almost all of the other sports closer to their venues, with the possible exception of Baseball which might be a little bit further away but still very close to Howser.

I suppose another option would be to build a totally new "non-football" facility on the empty plot of land right next to the Mike Long Track building, Spirit Way garage, and the sand volleyball courts.

"The argument is not that this won't be a part of the main FSU campus, but that this is a premier downtown spot where FSU can shine and should take full advantage of the opportunity to do so. The look of the new EOAS building is solid, no gripes here. "

I would argue FSU is going to shine by maintaining it's architectural guidelines just like it did at the EOAS building. FSU's architectural guidelines are what makes FSU's campus beautiful. Frankly, it is what saves much of Tally because of it's beauty. I wish FSU held to it more at it's Southwest campus.


"It has that classic FSU Jeffersonian brick look with modern touches such as the massive glass corner. "

Great description.

"Height is key for this project"

Nope, not at all. FSU won't build above 7 stories primarily due to insurance and fire issues. FSU campus is beautiful. Beautiful southern campuses like FSU aren't loved for tall buildings. FSU will never look like NYU.....thank god.


"It’s be a shame not to include additional space for growth and startups, office space with subsidized rent for the schools ambitions to truly produce an entrepreneur turbo charger. "

FSU has the most limited campus in Florida, the last thing it is going to do is add such space on it's main campus. IF FSU or Tally REALLY wanted to do something (and they don't), they would set aside 1-5K acres of empty land that St Joe has in Leon county and make it some sort of STEM campus with that type of space.

The one time FSU proposed such an thing, the local area attacked it and the lack of support killed it.

FSU has already turbo charged with a $100 Million donation. Success has already been achieved.

Why would FSU need 1,000 to 5,000 acres for a "STEM campus"? Did you mean 10 to 50 acres? Scratching my head here....

LCpro wrote:Why would FSU need 1,000 to 5,000 acres for a "STEM campus"? Did you mean 10 to 50 acres? Scratching my head here....

If the goal is a research park that adds everything you typically want in one, university research, employers, space for entrepreneurs, space for large companies, thousands of employees, etc.

PLUS, you need a certain critical mass to attract MAJOR money to a tiny town like Tally that is remote. You have to do it big AND offer something that can't get in bitter towns. LAND. This is needed to reach critical mass.

Plus when you factor in, FSU has little room to grow and the smallest student to acre ration in Florida SUS by a HUGE amount, it makes sense.

Tally has wasted this opportunity for so long. It makes no sense. You master plan a 3-5K acre campus and it will take time, but you would be shocked at what it would bring.

http://www.aurp.net/what-is-a-research-park

- Master plans property designed for research and commercialization
- Creates partnerships with universities and research institutions
- Encourages the growth of new companies
- Translates technology
- Drives technology-led economic development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_parks

Univ. of Arizona
https://techparks.arizona.edu/parks/ua-tech-park/facts
The spacious site offers companies room to develop.
1,345 acres
40 companies and organizations including IBM, Citi, Raytheon and United Health Group/OptumRx
6,000 employees
2 million square feet of office, laboratory, and production space
Common areas, multi-use paths and recreation facilities

Univ of Illinios
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_ ... -Champaign
The Research Park opened its first building in 2001 and grew into a 200-acre technology hub for corporate research and development operations.
The next phase of development in the new master developer agreement is to add 160 acres of additional land east of the main Research Park area

NC State, etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Triangle_Park
The park covers 7,000 acres (2,833 ha) situated in a pine forest with 22,500,000 square feet (2,090,318 m2) of built space.[1] The park is traversed by Interstate 40; the Durham Freeway; and NC 540. It is managed by the Research Triangle Foundation, a private non-profit organization.[6]

FSU, etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovatio ... llahassee)
Sitting on 208 acres of scenic woods, Innovation Park features 17 buildings; 9 of which are owned by Florida State University, 1 is owned by Florida A&M University and The Authority owns 5


UCF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_F ... earch_Park
Area 1,027-acre (4.16 km2)

Bama, Huntsville, etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummings_Research_Park
CRP is the home of nearly 300 companies, more than 26,000 employees and 12,500 students
In 1962, the City established this zoning, with 3,000 acres of land officially designated Huntsville Research Park.
The City of Huntsville has continued to acquire land for future growth of CRP, and it is now approaching 4,000 acres.

StrikerObi wrote:

music4life85 wrote:Personally I think they will end up bulldozing Tully Gym and rebuilding it as a great volleyball venue and space to house all the non-football sports, and then utilize the current Moore athletics space as a football-only facility directly connected to Doak.

I haven't heard anybody in Facilities mention this idea, but it's a really good one. Tully needs an update to begin with, and it totally solves the problem of wanting the Football Only Facility located near the practice fields. Moving everybody else to Tully would also put almost all of the other sports closer to their venues, with the possible exception of Baseball which might be a little bit further away but still very close to Howser.

I suppose another option would be to build a totally new "non-football" facility on the empty plot of land right next to the Mike Long Track building, Spirit Way garage, and the sand volleyball courts.

Pretty sure I've read where a high ranking Booster official has said the Tully option is a possibility/under consideration. Obviously they aren't technically part of FSU Facilities, but still.

I've also been pushing that option for awhile now. There's even open space behind/east of Tully where they can start construction without having to tear down any of the existing structure first.

I think track would like to keep that field next to Mike Long undeveloped for warm-up space when they host events. I would, however, like to see some better seating in place for the beach volleyball venue. And speaking of track, give us a real grandstand, and a bigger one. If a school like Drake can host NCAA's, why can't FSU?

With the Moore Center, much of that building is only 2 stories tall while the rest is 4. Is it possible to build an additional 2 stories on top of them to make the whole building 4 stories (purple)?

There's also room underneath the big scoreboard in the student section endzone for more space (green).

They could also extend the front of the building some (blue), and extend the curved sections of the stadium (yellow).

They could probably add extra space in the paved area by the Film School (red). I don't know if this could be added to the other side of Moore or not. It would be where the tv trucks currently park and I don't know if there would be a suitable alternative for them. The red expansion could "connect" with the practice field entrance.

Also, I think it'd be wise to plan for possible future stadium expansion. What I mean is, since the seating along both sidelines is going to be dramatically altered in the coming years to more closely resemble the individual seatbacks and tiered decks of the champions club, it's also going to drop seating capacity quite a bit. At some point I think you might have to consider putting a cheap seat bleacher section above the student section as an upper deck type of deal. If you could build the structural supports into any new construction/expansion of Moore, it'd at least provide you with the future possibility of adding/adjusting stadium seating.

Those are all good ideas, although I'm not sure the red and two yellow areas would be usable. The northern yellow area is currently a loading dock for the equipment truck, and the southern one is where ESPN parks all the broadcast trailers. That red area is also right a loading dock for the film school.

Where'd you hear that they plan to convert all of the bleachers into proper seats? I haven't heard anything about that, and it honestly seems crazy to me. Although I'm not sure FSU is too worried about seating capacity since it's already so difficult to sell out Doak as is. If they do cover the seating, I wonder if that'll include the student section or if they'll still be on bleachers to allow for more capacity.

The loading areas can be moved and still be accomodated. It's not something I see as a major concern. If need be, they could have a portion of the expansion elevated to allow access, like the stilt houses at the beach. They can obviously adjust the footprint of my very rough outline also. As for the tv trucks, I don't see why they couldn't set up just left/west of where the lower yellow section is. Those cars there in the picture can move.

As for the seating, they've been discussing new sidelines for several years now. It would include a complete tear down and rebuild. It'd mean updated ADA regulations, more restrooms/concessions, better lighting/signage/FSU themed/Football history honoring concourses (no more erector set), chairback seating (highly doubt it'll be 100% chairback - probably just around the 50s/home sideline), likely a tiered bowl (to recoup some of the capacity loss from the chairbacks), and some loge seating between the decks (at least on the home side). I believe the idea is to keep the student endzone as is. It's more of a mid-range project and will be done in phases, once the plans are finalized and it's funded.

Just got back from the latest FSU Facilities Design & Construction meeting. Here's what was discussed.

- FSU acquired an acre of land off Roberts Ave at Eisenhower. Per TJ, it looks like this for the partnership with TMH for the Primary Care & Behavioral Health Center. http://www.urbantallahassee.com/index.p ... 14&t=11454.

- FSU expects to finally close on the Kleman Plaza ground floor retail condo next month. This condo is on the corner of Bronough and Pensacola, with a majority fronting Bronough, directly across from the College of Law. Still no hint as to what it's going to be used for.

- Woodward Ave and the Woodward garage will be closed again this summer for underground work related to the new Union. While it's closed, they'll also be lowering the small "tunnel" / underpass that runs under Woodward (on Academic Way) so that it can more easily accommodate larger delivery trucks.

- Speaking of the union, demolition on the existing facility will begin after this semester, in early May. Expected to be a 24 month construction project so it's gonna be awhile before we get our new Union.

- Legacy Hall (College of Business) has moved into the design phase but still needs funding. I think they said it's gonna be about $85M. This will sit just south of the Tucker Center.

- Suwannee Room dining hall is getting a complete interior renovation. Don't worry, they're keeping the beautiful ceilings. But everything else is being gutted and rebuilt from scratch. Expect a much more open design with all the food stations being moved from the center of the hall over to the western wall. This project is moving at lightspeed. They just started last week and expect completion in 4 months.

- They've met with Coach Taggart on the Football Operations facility. Looks like the new plan is to squeeze in a 155,000sqft facility in place of the narrow parking lot that's immediately between the football practice facility and Stadium Dr.  - Hoffman Teaching Lab is getting renovated to replace some 4th floor admin space with more chem labs, due to the increased demand for lab space generated by the College of Medicine's Interdisciplinary Medical Sciences (aka "Pre-Med") major.

Those are the highlights. You can see their full powerpoint at https://www.facilities.fsu.edu/depts/designConstr/. It's not up there yet, but they usually get it up within 24 hours of the meeting.

^Thank you so much for the update Striker. One thing, did you mean to include a link to the "row the boat ice cream article" or to the project page for the SW Medical Facility:

http://urbantallahassee.com/index.php/u ... lth-center

Also, could I republish what you've written in article format for mass distribution. The public doesn't have access to our forums.

florida wrote:^Thank you so much for the update Striker. One thing, did you mean to include a link to the "row the boat ice cream article" or to the project page for the SW Medical Facility:

http://urbantallahassee.com/index.php/u ... lth-center

Also, could I republish what you've written in article format for mass distribution. The public doesn't have access to our forums.

LOL no I did not mean to link that article. That's what I get for not proofing before I post. I meant to link to the forum thread you already created. I've fixed it. And while I was at it, I added a bit about some small changes to Academic Way that I forgot in the initial post.

And yeah, please feel free to re-publish. But please leave my name off the article.

Thank you! It'll just say "UrbanTallahassee"

The 14,000-square-foot space, located in the Louis Shores Building, is perfect for collective or solo projects and supports groups of up to 140 people. Truly an interdisciplinary venture, the hub has partnered with 17 different colleges and departments on campus to provide access to the latest technologies.

http://news.fsu.edu/news/university-new ... ation-hub/

florida wrote:The public doesn't have access to our forums.

Is there a reason the forum is hidden? I wasn't logged in the other day and thought the forum was gone. I assume more people would join if they could see the forum exists.

In addition to this large investment from the NSF, the MagLab continues to receive critical financial support from the state of Florida. Last year, the MagLab received $12 million from the state. In return for every state dollar invested in the facility, the state receives $6.57 in economic activity. Over the next 20 years, the MagLab is projected to generate about $2.4 billion in economic activity and more than 25,000 jobs in Florida.

http://news.fsu.edu/news/science-techno ... wal-grant/

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Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:15 pm

florida wrote:The public doesn't have access to our forums.

Is there a reason the forum is hidden? I wasn't logged in the other day and thought the forum was gone. I assume more people would join if they could see the forum exists.

I don't see the summary view of the forums on the front page. I live by that to easily see most recent posts.

I had trouble with that too SJ. On your phone/tablet the "Latest Forum Activity" is further down than it use to be so scroll on down. On my desktop it's on the far right side of the homepage.

Florida is there anyway to bold the "Latest Forum Activity" or change the color or font to make it stand out more like it did prior to the last update?

seminole wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:25 pm

In addition to this large investment from the NSF, the MagLab continues to receive critical financial support from the state of Florida. Last year, the MagLab received $12 million from the state. In return for every state dollar invested in the facility, the state receives $6.57 in economic activity. Over the next 20 years, the MagLab is projected to generate about $2.4 billion in economic activity and more than 25,000 jobs in Florida.

http://news.fsu.edu/news/science-techno ... wal-grant/

OEV is casting a wide net for an applied science and innovation project manager, first advertised Sunday on local, national and international job sites. The two-page job description outlines a project manager whose duties include recruitment and trumpeting local research, especially innovations from the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, home to one of the world's largest magnets.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/ ... 485405002/

I agree with Poonther/StJoe
The forum should have bold print so it stands out on the home page - I thought it was gone and spent two days trying to locate it. I feel the forum should be more user friendly many are inquiring about joining so they can be informed of upcoming developments in our Capital City.