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Re: Florida State University

Unread post by StrikerObi » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:04 am

That's great news. I feel like FSU has really been on a steady upswing the last 10-15ish years, especially once the country emerged from the '08 recession.

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Does anyone know what FSU plans to do with the retail condos they are purchasing at the basement of Kleman Plaza?

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:33 am

I was at the last two Facilities & Construction meetings where they mentioned the condos. There was no indication as to why they'd be used for.

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Re: Florida State University

Unread post by florida » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:14 am

StrikerObi wrote:That's great news. I feel like FSU has really been on a steady upswing the last 10-15ish years, especially once the country emerged from the '08 recession.

I agree with this. Started under Barron and I see no slow down under the current admin.

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Unread post by seminole » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:15 pm

StrikerObi wrote:
tricknole wrote:A bus will work.
Yeah but that's not fun!


Anyway, I was at yesterday's FSU Facilities Design & Construction "quarterly" update (it's actually held about twice a year). Nothing major to report since they are in the tail-end phase of lots of projects right now but here's what I got.

- FSU completed land swap with the city. FSU traded the Firestone/Bloxham properties for the empty land just south of the Civic Center (bounded by St Augustine, Macomb, Gaines, and Railroad). This allows the city to develop near Cascades, and gives FSU land for a future College of Business.

- FSU acquired a 40 acre property in Lynn Haven FL, an old fuel depot. It's right on the gulf, and they figure it may be used for research by the Panama City campus.

- FSU completed purchase of 2139 Maryland Court, and has also purchased a commercial condo in the basement level (directly on Bronough St) of Kleman Plaza.

- The Carraway building will need to lose it's lecture hall as a result of the Earth Ocean and Atmospheric Sciences building going up. There's just not enough room for it since it butts up to Woodward Ave and that corner will have drastically increased pedestrian traffic once EOAS is finished. Long-term, they want to demolish Carraway anyway since it's old - but that plan is maybe 20 years out right now.

- Moran School building downtown now has a Dec 15 finish date. It was pushed back by about a month because the roof needed to be redone which was not initially expected.

Apart from EOAS, the only other really major project on the table right now that actually has funding is the new student union. Here are some updates on that

- The new Oglesby Union project has architects! It's a collaboration between Lewis+Whitlock and a firm called Workshop out of Milwaukee that specializes in student unions. This is pretty exciting. You can see Workshop's previous works at http://www.workshoparchitects.com/projects/

- The new Union project is slated for $52M but they are starting to think that to do it right they'll actually need $100-$120M.

- Phase 1A of the new union puts a new building up where the current Union Green is, referred to as the "student life pavilion". This building would be four levels and would contain a new Club Downunder (lower level), student involvement space and CDU balcony (first level), more student involvement space (second level), and the art center, SGA senate chamber, and admin space (third level)

- Phase 1B is a new building that cuts across (running North-South) the current Union plaza, roughly where The Bridge Lounge is right now. It's referred to as "The Gathering". It contains: a sports grille (lower level), coffee lounge (first level), new Kretzman Lounge (second level), and rooftop garden space (third level).

- Future phases would sit on top of the current Union building parcel and contain a new Crenshaw Lanes, food court, ballroom space, retail, and more programming space.

- Moore Auditorium is staying for now. It just got retrofitted with new seats and finishings so it doesn't look like a total dump anymore.

As always, you can see the full powerpoint presentation from the meeting (all 86 slides) at https://www.facilities.fsu.edu/depts/designConstr/

EDIT: I forgot some stuff

- Suwanee Dining Hall is going down for refurb soon, I believe with plans to reopen in May.

- The other main dining hall, formerly known as Fresh Food Co and currently known as the Seminole Cafe, is going down for refurb this summer. When it re-opens it'll be known as the "Seminole Test Kitchen" and will be where they test out new recipes. The best dishes (as voted on by diners) will find their way to other locations on campus. The two dining hall refurbs total about $10M on a shared budget.

- Howser Stadium is getting a new giant video board which should hopefully be done by January in time for the start of baseball season.
The new Oglesby Union project construction project is scheduled to begin late spring/early summer of 2018.

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Re: Florida State University

Unread post by florida » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:16 am

I'm excited about the Student Union project, but FSU must absolutely nail the design on the new Business School project which I think they put out for bid to get an Architect. The location gives the school and opportunity to construct a prominent iconic structure on the downtown skyline much the same way this building was constructed in Tampa for USF:
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Unread post by tricknole » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:43 pm

I am sure FSU is going to go with something that resembles its traditional campus architecture while incorporating contemporary elements into the design.

If you are expecting something like the picture you posted you are going to be disappointed.

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Unread post by chudan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:21 am

Keep in mind that the USF building you are referencing is a new medical school building being built in a huge private downtown redevelopment project separate from the USF main campus. Jeff Vinik (Tampa Bay Lightning NHL team owner) and Bill Gates through a joint venture own a huge chunk of Tampa downtown and are developing a project called Wood Street. They donated the land and part of building construction for the USF Medical School (near Tampa General which is the teaching hospital for USF Med) and were instrumental in making sure a 'coordinated design' was used to go with the rest of the Wood Street project.

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Unread post by florida » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:01 pm

Considering the location is downtown and not the main campus, you'd think they'd be a tad more adventurous with the design. This appears to be the approach taken with regard to Cascades Park... something a tad less traditional that suits the environment it is built in.

You're right, I will be disappointed if it looks like most of the buildings on the main campus. This is a chance at an impressive iconic structure that could elevate the status of the university in the community and to prospective students and partners. 

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Unread post by music4life85 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:14 pm

I love what they're doing with the Moran Institute downtown and I hope that FSU will integrate some of that design style into the new College of Business building. However, with the large scale of that building, I wouldn't be surprised if it's primarily a modern take on the traditional FSU campus style.

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:38 pm

Yeah, if you use an angled birds-eye view of the newer campus perimeter buildings in Google Earth, there is no suggestion of anything getting too far from the 'FSU standard' architecture. And I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with that in terms of keeping a certain identity for facilities adjacent to the main campus. Separate structures downtown or located away from main campus are one thing, but I think trying to go a bit crazy with anything within the main footprint of the campus is more distracting then anything. Also, with it being so close to the All Saints district, I actually think 'traditional FSU' blends in better with the older architecture of that district.

As example, Shands north tower looks really, really out of place on the UF campus.....and not in a good way.

And if you want a really good (or should I say bad) example of architectural mish mash, my alma mater of USF has about the most disjointed architecture of any campus known to human kind. The main library was actually designed by an architect whose previous claim to fame was designing phosphate storage towers. The USF main campus literally has no 'style' what so ever....

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Unread post by SPC II » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:04 am

I'm hoping for a design language similar to that employed at Tech Square, across the interstate from Georgia Tech's main campus in Atlanta. For those that haven't seen it, it's a blend of the same sort of classic brick materials we're familiar with for collegiate architecture, mixed with some nice contemporary flourishes, like cantilevered metal and glass structures. Sounds like it shouldn't work, but it was executed well, and I think something very similar would fit the bill for the new School of Business quite nicely.

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Unread post by tricknole » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:21 pm

florida wrote:Considering the location is downtown and not the main campus, you'd think they'd be a tad more adventurous with the design. This appears to be the approach taken with regard to Cascades Park... something a tad less traditional that suits the environment it is built in.

You're right, I will be disappointed if it looks like most of the buildings on the main campus. This is a chance at an impressive iconic structure that could elevate the status of the university in the community and to prospective students and partners. 
You say it's not on the main campus, yet it's literally contiguous with the main campus and just ~6 blocks from Westcott.

Did you not see the "renderings" on the Legacy Hall website? While that design obviously won't be the actual design, it should've been a good indicator that FSU is likely going traditional with contemporary design elements.

Yes, you'll be disappointed if your expectations were unrealistic from the jump, even when others were telling you what the actual design would probably look like, and when FSU was showing you what it was generally looking for from architectural firms.

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Unread post by florida » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:49 pm

Im sure an actual architect will understand what I mean by the nature of the property the new building will be located on and design something accordingly.  Crossing fingers.

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Unread post by tricknole » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:07 pm

LOL

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:39 pm

People here are saying this new College of Business won't be part of the main campus, but it most certainly will be. It will be connected to FSU's historical campus via an unbroken chain of properties. It's across from the now FSU-owned Civic Center, which is across from the FSU-owned Turnbull center, which is catty-corner to the FSU-owned parking lot at the corner of Copeland & Pensacola, which is across the street from the Diffenbaugh building. The "main campus" is simply expanding out to cover more territory. And given the tiny size of FSU's campus (relative to it's enrollment) it's no surprise that the place is growing.

Anyway, if you want a guess at what it will look like, I think you should look towards the design of the Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences building being built right now. It has that classic FSU Jeffersonian brick look with modern touches such as the massive glass corner. FSU understands that buildings such as this must make a statement and, in the case of the EOAS building due to it's location at the north gate, help create a "gateway" to the University.

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Unread post by florida » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:23 pm

StrikerObi wrote:People here are saying this new College of Business won't be part of the main campus, but it most certainly will be. It will be connected to FSU's historical campus via an unbroken chain of properties. It's across from the now FSU-owned Civic Center, which is across from the FSU-owned Turnbull center, which is catty-corner to the FSU-owned parking lot at the corner of Copeland & Pensacola, which is across the street from the Diffenbaugh building. The "main campus" is simply expanding out to cover more territory. And given the tiny size of FSU's campus (relative to it's enrollment) it's no surprise that the place is growing.

Anyway, if you want a guess at what it will look like, I think you should look towards the design of the Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Sciences building being built right now. It has that classic FSU Jeffersonian brick look with modern touches such as the massive glass corner. FSU understands that buildings such as this must make a statement and, in the case of the EOAS building due to it's location at the north gate, help create a "gateway" to the University.

The argument is not that this won't be a part of the main FSU campus, but that this is a premier downtown spot where FSU can shine and should take full advantage of the opportunity to do so. The look of the new EOAS building is solid, no gripes here. 

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Unread post by csmurphy8885 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:52 am

Height is key for this project. It’s be a shame not to include additional space for growth and startups, office space with subsidized rent for the schools ambitions to truly produce an entrepreneur turbo charger. 

If it’s 5 lackluster stories it will simply be a new building, forgot when it opens!

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Unread post by seminole » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:07 pm

The Prevacus story starts in Tallahassee, specifically at Florida High and Florida State University.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports ... 017576001/

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Unread post by florida » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:09 pm

All of the talk in the paper about significant proposed improvements to Howser Stadium, Basketball Arena, soft ball complex and Football only facilities.

Much was left out of the article as it related to the potential location for the FB facility or even the design idea, however, what we do know is that the new football administration is going to play a role in the design, and that it just happens that our new football coach comes from one of the programs with PREMIER athletic facilities (Oregon) courtesy of Nike/Phil Knight. Word is Taggart will be able to weigh in on what he liked about the previous facilities and what could be improved upon. Other coaches may have a say as well. It doesn't hurt that Florida and Clemson, Bama, Texas A&M and others already have facilities that we can take notes from.

Regarding Howser, I was under the impression that they were looking to relocate it to the former intramural fields there on Stadium Drive/Gaines Street freeing up the current location for any future football only facility. I'm excited to see what they come up with for baseball/softball, as I do believe the two will be somewhat of a package deal. I'd be surprised if they aren't.

On to basketball, they mention tons of technology upgrades and new platforms for the interior to enable them to set up for the arrival of the ACC network. I'm also interested in knowing if the exterior will receive the façade improvements they previously presented prior to the work starting inside.
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I really think a refreshed exterior would help to attract larger crowds into the venue. Being that the CC is so old, the best bet is to make it look as polished as possible and I think the improvements to the exterior work to that. I've been to many games this year and last year and I initially found myself wanting more from the inside. But the more I look at it, the more I can appreciate the way the untouched concrete on the interior almost looks like gold in compliment to the new garnet seats. So it worked out on the inside!
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Unread post by UrbanDesign » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:08 pm

the building definitely is ugly.

Exterior Renovations can't start soon enough.

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Unread post by LCpro » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:32 pm

Florida,

Do you have any links to any articles where moving Dick Howser stadium has been mentioned?

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Unread post by florida » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:51 pm

LCpro wrote:Florida,

Do you have any links to any articles where moving Dick Howser stadium has been mentioned?
OMG, I feel like it's something I came across while obsessing over who the next football coach would be. I recall it being mentioned by Wilcox as sort of a hypothetical scenario, "... we have to explore our options, whether that's building facilities for other programs, retrofitting existing structures.... where will it go? where the baseball stadium currently stands? Baseball would then have to be relocated..." I don't remember the exact wording, I simply remember coming across it somewhere. At the time I read it, it was only mentioned as a possibility, and I do recall the author mentioning how old/outdated/unimpressive Howser Stadium has become. I really wish I could find the article, it's going to bother me now.

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Unread post by music4life85 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:50 am

It’s been released that they are in the midst of compiling about $25million to update and improve the current Dick Howser Stadium. There’s no way in hell they will move it. It’s one of the most well-known venues in college baseball, and baseball is a very tradition-based sport. I think even the mention of moving it was just purely speculation related to how difficult the land/space situation is for a football-only facility.

Personally I think they will end up bulldozing Tully Gym and rebuilding it as a great volleyball venue and space to house all the non-football sports, and then utilize the current Moore athletics space as a football-only facility directly connected to Doak.

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Unread post by LCpro » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:18 am

Ok, thanks florida and music4life

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