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Unread post by seminole » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:17 pm

FSU is in good company with producing patents:
FSU ranks 49th in the organizations’ “Top 100 Worldwide Universities Granted U.S. Utility Patents in 2016.” The annual report, which is compiled with data from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, reflects the cutting-edge research and innovation being pursued at universities around the world, including Florida State.
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Unread post by StrikerObi » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:19 am

Kinda weird that that second article says the new south endzone video board is "set to cost" $15M. How can it be "set to cost" anything when it's already under construction with half of the video panels already installed?

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Unread post by LCpro » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:01 pm

Few things from the second article:

Regarding ticket revenue - it being up only because of an out-of-town game against Alabama isn't really "positive" news. And it almost sounds like it would be down if not for that game.

Secondly, what is the "Football-only Facility". Didn't we just build an indoor practice facility?

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:07 pm

The "football only facility" is probably a football operations center. Right now, all the football-related offices are located within the Moore Athletic Center alongside offices for other sports, student athlete support facilities (study centers, Figg dining hall), production facilities for Seminole Productions, and even classroom space used mostly by the College of Communications. Jimbo wants to have his own office building, essentially. It's a growing trend among big football schools.

What I'm curious about is where they'd put it. They say they have space nearby Doak, but unless they build it on some existing green space or parking lot, I have no idea what they're referring to.

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Unread post by LCpro » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:30 pm

Sounds like a waste of money that will show no return on investment that will just occupy scarce land that is needed for future use of more important endeavors. Maybe they can build it on the old Churches Chicken site since they all of a sudden just had to have that.

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:35 pm

LCpro wrote:Sounds like a waste of money that will show no return on investment that will just occupy scarce land that is needed for future use of more important endeavors. Maybe they can build it on the old Churches Chicken site since they all of a sudden just had to have that.
I don't necessarily disagree, but big-time college football is in the midst of a facilities arms race, and FSU won't let itself fall behind. Clemson just opened a new football operations center earlier this year. It's full of lounge space and other benefits, which help lure recruits to campus.

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Unread post by seminole » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:35 pm

Not really into golf, but I enjoy posting stories that enhance FSU's potential to attract a national stage both academically and in sports:
Said Nicklaus: “I think that (coaches) Trey (Jones) and Amy (Bond)’s goal is to have a golf course that the NCAA is just going to say, ‘Wow. We want to be able to hold a golf tournament there.’ ”
http://golfweek.com/2017/06/08/watch-ja ... -redesign/

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Unread post by seminole » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:54 am

seminole wrote:If FSU still gets at least $19.5 million for preeminence, $16 million for EOAS building, and $5 million for College of Business "Legacy Hall" then at least we can still keep these projects moving forward. Legacy Hall will set the "Arena District" in motion and will be critical as a future revenue source for FSU and the nothing can kill the excitement of the new Jim Moran Building:

http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2017/0 ... moran.html

FSU will be fine:http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2 ... 375086001/
More great news for FSU:
In the state university system, the revived projects include......... $11 million for two building projects at Florida State University...
http://journaldumaghreb.com/2017/06/10/ ... e-repairs/

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Unread post by tricknole » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:11 pm

Moore should be the football facility. Raze Tully. Rebuild it as the olympic sports facility. There's plenty of space there to build more vertically and provide volleyball with an improved gym.

Jimbo's office literally overlooks the football field. Is he going to give that up? Is he going to want TWO offices, one each in two separate buildings? That's stupid. The football team should stay at the football stadium. It makes the most sense. If Moore is outdated, then renovate it. Problem solved.

It's unfortunate that college athletics has turned into a nauseating "keeping up with the Joneses", but that's where we're at. It's a must. Football is the face of the university for most national universities.

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:42 am

I hope FSU Athletics can find a solution that works. They've poured millions into Moore for football-specific projects over the last few years (new player lounges, fake College GameDay TV set, locker room updates, etc.) and it seems absurd that they now want a brand new, stand-alone facility. They should concentrate on adding all the stuff they want to Moore, since lots of their stuff is there already.

If they need more space, I agree that relocating non-football stuff to a new facility would be the smarter move.

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:59 am

Unfortunately, I think the issue is the difference between the words "renovated" and "new". The powers behind the football team want to be able to say 'a new xx million dollar football only facility' vs 'a x million dollar renovation to convert facility to be football only'.

And you are right, all the millions spent on Moore would be flushed down the toilet in a political environment where more and more legislators don't give a crap about public universities other than thinking they get welfare from state (legislators' words not mine). We have legislators now who would have no problem seeing the Dolphins, Bucs, Jags, Marlins, Rays, Lightning and/or Panthers leave the state for want of public expenditures on stadiums and/or other team related facilities. They know they have the college teams as hostages to their locations, so even less to worry about them moving. I would bet money that any future 'major upgrades' to college sports facilities will probably need to come from boosters for all Florida universities.

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Unread post by tricknole » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Of course it will come from boosters. Who said otherwise?

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Unread post by chudan » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:40 pm

The point is to the legislature thinking that if FSU had money (regardless of source) to do the Moore facility as a joint sport with football and then basically flush it down the toilet to do a football only facility that boosters should come up with money for other capital improvements.

That was some of the reasoning coming out of the last session by some of the legislators in regards to capital improvements on various campuses. That if boosters have all this money to throw away on sports facilities (especially football) they should be anteing up money for academic facilities.

Case in point, USF had land and future building space donated for a new Med School in downtown Tampa where Jeff Vinik (Lightning owner) is doing a huge downtown redevelopment. The project needed money for the actual medical school aspect of the facility (equipment, design work outside general aspects of building, med school specific infrastructure, etc). In the meantime, USF is also working with its boosters into possibly building an on-campus football stadium. There were legislators saying that instead of having boosters raise money for a stadium, they should pay to move the Med school. These are the same people that want the State Park System to pay for itself by allowing private timbering, cattle production, hotels, golf courses and other private businesses on state park land. Its a mindset that the users (students, boosters, etc.) should pay for everything not the state.

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:57 pm

IMO non-essential athletics facilities should receive as little as possible funding from the state. Let the boosters pay for all that stuff, especially for revenue-generating sports like football and basketball. The state should be paying for academic and/or student service buildings. If the Boosters want to throw some donations in that direction as well, I applaud that move.

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seminole wrote:
seminole wrote:If FSU still gets at least $19.5 million for preeminence, $16 million for EOAS building, and $5 million for College of Business "Legacy Hall" then at least we can still keep these projects moving forward. Legacy Hall will set the "Arena District" in motion and will be critical as a future revenue source for FSU and the nothing can kill the excitement of the new Jim Moran Building:

http://allthingsfsu.blogspot.com/2017/0 ... moran.html

FSU will be fine:http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2 ... 375086001/
More great news for FSU:
In the state university system, the revived projects include......... $11 million for two building projects at Florida State University...
http://journaldumaghreb.com/2017/06/10/ ... e-repairs/
Here you go: http://news.fsu.edu/news/education-soci ... e-funding/

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Unread post by tricknole » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:23 pm

StrikerObi wrote:IMO non-essential athletics facilities should receive as little as possible funding from the state. Let the boosters pay for all that stuff, especially for revenue-generating sports like football and basketball. The state should be paying for academic and/or student service buildings. If the Boosters want to throw some donations in that direction as well, I applaud that move.
The state doesn't fund athletics.

Are the boosters not paying for the football facility?

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:48 am

tricknole wrote:The state doesn't fund athletics.

Are the boosters not paying for the football facility?
Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the same impression but some other posts here caused me to second-guess myself. Before that, I did assume anything like this was either being funded by Athletic Dept revenues and/or Booster donations.

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Unread post by LCpro » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:56 pm

There is a little bit of misinformation here. College athletics are certainly funded in part by the State. There is an allocation in the budget every year. Further, ever-increasing student fees cover a large part as well. The 90's renovations to Doak were mostly funded by the State because FSU used a clever "trick" in getting the funding through the State by having class rooms and administrative offices included in the stadium. Booster contributions go to funding all the things that the athletic budget and student fees don't cover like buying land, building practice facilities etc.. the things that can't be "justified" by use of public tax funds.

Here's an article in Forbes from 2012 about funding of college athletics.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/ ... 910fb717af

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Unread post by tricknole » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:01 pm

LCpro wrote:There is a little bit of misinformation here. College athletics are certainly funded in part by the State. There is an allocation in the budget every year. Further, ever-increasing student fees cover a large part as well. The 90's renovations to Doak were mostly funded by the State because FSU used a clever "trick" in getting the funding through the State by having class rooms and administrative offices included in the stadium. Booster contributions go to funding all the things that the athletic budget and student fees don't cover like buying land, building practice facilities etc.. the things that can't be "justified" by use of public tax funds.

Here's an article in Forbes from 2012 about funding of college athletics.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/ ... 910fb717af
Exactly. The state doesn't fund athletics.

You listed students and boosters. You said the state paid for academic buildings which doubled as an attractive facade for the stadium. Boosters paid for Moore (most of it, at least) and the box suites, etc. Just like boosters paid for the champions club, ipf, player dorm and will pay for the planned (but not finalized) renovations to Doak, among other boosters facilities projects.

And the student fees aren't much different than if FSU made students buy season tickets to athletic events like some other schools do, if anyone wants to wander down that rabbit hole.

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Unread post by chudan » Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:27 pm

This doesn't change the fact that we now have a growing number of legislators that see boosters as an excuse not to fund academic construction like they tried with USF. They have no problem with the idea that if boosters can raise millions of dollars for a new stadium or other sports facility, they can raise millions of dollars for that new earth sciences building or medical school building instead of the State so that the Legislature can have more money to give away to their donors as tax breaks.

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Unread post by stjoe » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:17 pm

chudan wrote:This doesn't change the fact that we now have a growing number of legislators that see boosters as an excuse not to fund academic construction like they tried with USF. They have no problem with the idea that if boosters can raise millions of dollars for a new stadium or other sports facility, they can raise millions of dollars for that new earth sciences building or medical school building instead of the State so that the Legislature can have more money to give away to their donors as tax breaks.

When has the state held money back for science buildings claiming athletic money can pay for it? I follow PECO funding and I have never heard of a case.

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Unread post by StrikerObi » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:40 am

Changing topics a bit, FSU opened one of its new residence halls yesterday, Azalea Hall - the one with the new dining facility attached to it (although that doesn't open until fall).

FSU Admissions posted a video of the new hall here: https://twitter.com/FSUAdmissions/statu ... 0969395200

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Unread post by seminole » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:28 pm

FSU has some grounds to cover in research, but news look promising:
Taxol, over a period of years, generated $350 million for Holton and FSU, the most ever generated through a licensing agreement in the United States and Canada, including the University of Florida’s Gatorade, Edington said.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2 ... 509683001/

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